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	<title>Comments on: Open Letter to Canadian Universities</title>
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		<title>By: Julie Gallanty</title>
		<link>http://www.elearnspace.org/blog/2012/07/06/open-letter-to-canadian-universities/comment-page-1/#comment-83854</link>
		<dc:creator>Julie Gallanty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2012 12:38:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>George, Another excellent post summarizing the gaps in higher education leadership not seeing the bigger picture and trends that are changing the industry today.

It seems that the energy in the change in higher education and technology/internet is a bottom up force and not driven from the top down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George, Another excellent post summarizing the gaps in higher education leadership not seeing the bigger picture and trends that are changing the industry today.</p>
<p>It seems that the energy in the change in higher education and technology/internet is a bottom up force and not driven from the top down.</p>
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		<title>By: Sui Fai John Mak</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sui Fai John Mak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2012 10:33:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s resonating, be a leader! As I shared here https://suifaijohnmak.wordpress.com/2011/05/21/cck11-globalisation-and-glocalisation-of-education-part-i/ education needs to be customised, not just a copy or &quot;best practice&quot;of an education system from another country.  
John</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s resonating, be a leader! As I shared here <a href="https://suifaijohnmak.wordpress.com/2011/05/21/cck11-globalisation-and-glocalisation-of-education-part-i/" rel="nofollow">https://suifaijohnmak.wordpress.com/2011/05/21/cck11-globalisation-and-glocalisation-of-education-part-i/</a> education needs to be customised, not just a copy or &#8220;best practice&#8221;of an education system from another country.<br />
John</p>
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		<title>By: open universities</title>
		<link>http://www.elearnspace.org/blog/2012/07/06/open-letter-to-canadian-universities/comment-page-1/#comment-83784</link>
		<dc:creator>open universities</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2012 00:56:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Australian universities suffer from the same ailment. We are lucky here in some respects as we have a huge Asian market (for want of a better word) that helps to sustain our sector. However this influx of dollars does not seem to be making any difference to forward thinking of the people who head up our universities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Australian universities suffer from the same ailment. We are lucky here in some respects as we have a huge Asian market (for want of a better word) that helps to sustain our sector. However this influx of dollars does not seem to be making any difference to forward thinking of the people who head up our universities.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Madsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary Madsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2012 16:26:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think it&#039;s just Canadian Universities that need to look out for US Universities because of the rise of online education. Every university in every country now has more competition to deal with due to vast online educational opportunities now. Competition is always a good thing though. It forces people to step up their game!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s just Canadian Universities that need to look out for US Universities because of the rise of online education. Every university in every country now has more competition to deal with due to vast online educational opportunities now. Competition is always a good thing though. It forces people to step up their game!</p>
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		<title>By: Gorynel Desse</title>
		<link>http://www.elearnspace.org/blog/2012/07/06/open-letter-to-canadian-universities/comment-page-1/#comment-83760</link>
		<dc:creator>Gorynel Desse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2012 15:41:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree that Athabasca and Thompson River are somehow qualified to provide some meaningful contribution to this change. I&#039;ve taken courses at Athabasca, Thompson River, Coursera, Udacity and the original AI course from Sebastian Thrun and Peter Norvig. The courses from Athabasca and Thompson River are essentially traditional university courses where they mail you the text book rather than requiring you pick it up, and provide no social experience. While there is an online presence it does not provide useful assistance, and in fact is so poor I usually find it easier to print out the course outline and work through it with a hard copy.

In contrast, the Coursera, Udacity and AI courses were wonderful. I completed 10 - 20 hours of homework weekly. Voluntarily, I completed an educational experience that was more enjoyable, more rewarding, more difficult, and a better learning experience than many of the courses I completed in my undergraduate degree at Simon Fraser University.

@Accordingtosmith, I suggest your sample is incomplete, and most likely drawn from online experience like Athabasca and Thompson River, traditional distance education institutions. Tens of thousands of people are volunteering to complete Coursera, MITx and Udacity learning experiences. I have taken three so far and hope to take many more.

Is this not what we hope for in education? People lining up to learn?

I agree that Canadian universities should be pioneering this field as well. A university without the ability to provide this kind of experience in a few years will be in a difficult position. However, aside from that, this is the frontier of education. Stanford has demonstrated that the incumbents of distance education, Athabasca, Thompson River, Open University, etc, were not reaching the scale, nor the interactive experience, that was possible.

What Coursera and Udacity are currently providing is not the pinnacle of possibility, it is the foothills. However, what they have now is a large student body, a platform they can evolve, and lots of data. As these things move forward having the platform and the data is the difference between research and innovation and content provider.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree that Athabasca and Thompson River are somehow qualified to provide some meaningful contribution to this change. I&#8217;ve taken courses at Athabasca, Thompson River, Coursera, Udacity and the original AI course from Sebastian Thrun and Peter Norvig. The courses from Athabasca and Thompson River are essentially traditional university courses where they mail you the text book rather than requiring you pick it up, and provide no social experience. While there is an online presence it does not provide useful assistance, and in fact is so poor I usually find it easier to print out the course outline and work through it with a hard copy.</p>
<p>In contrast, the Coursera, Udacity and AI courses were wonderful. I completed 10 &#8211; 20 hours of homework weekly. Voluntarily, I completed an educational experience that was more enjoyable, more rewarding, more difficult, and a better learning experience than many of the courses I completed in my undergraduate degree at Simon Fraser University.</p>
<p>@Accordingtosmith, I suggest your sample is incomplete, and most likely drawn from online experience like Athabasca and Thompson River, traditional distance education institutions. Tens of thousands of people are volunteering to complete Coursera, MITx and Udacity learning experiences. I have taken three so far and hope to take many more.</p>
<p>Is this not what we hope for in education? People lining up to learn?</p>
<p>I agree that Canadian universities should be pioneering this field as well. A university without the ability to provide this kind of experience in a few years will be in a difficult position. However, aside from that, this is the frontier of education. Stanford has demonstrated that the incumbents of distance education, Athabasca, Thompson River, Open University, etc, were not reaching the scale, nor the interactive experience, that was possible.</p>
<p>What Coursera and Udacity are currently providing is not the pinnacle of possibility, it is the foothills. However, what they have now is a large student body, a platform they can evolve, and lots of data. As these things move forward having the platform and the data is the difference between research and innovation and content provider.</p>
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		<title>By: Dawn Worley</title>
		<link>http://www.elearnspace.org/blog/2012/07/06/open-letter-to-canadian-universities/comment-page-1/#comment-83756</link>
		<dc:creator>Dawn Worley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jul 2012 15:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>George, there is no doubt that online learning, as well as e-learning tools, are here to stay. Innovation is a quality that community colleges and universities must have in order to persevere in online learning locally and globally. As we move forward, I am also concerned about the “human” element in online courses. How can we keep our online learners connected and what role do we play in this level of connectedness as educators?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George, there is no doubt that online learning, as well as e-learning tools, are here to stay. Innovation is a quality that community colleges and universities must have in order to persevere in online learning locally and globally. As we move forward, I am also concerned about the “human” element in online courses. How can we keep our online learners connected and what role do we play in this level of connectedness as educators?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark McGuire</title>
		<link>http://www.elearnspace.org/blog/2012/07/06/open-letter-to-canadian-universities/comment-page-1/#comment-83755</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark McGuire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jul 2012 04:57:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi George and others

I just received this email from an imaginary friend, who will remain nameless.

Dear Colleague

I work in a university where we have a &quot;Centre for Innovation&quot;. Thankfully, this absolves me from needing to worry about innovating, which, as you know, can be hard work. We also have a &quot;Quality Advancement Unit&quot; and a &quot;Human Ethics Committee&quot;, both very handy for similar reasons. I think there is also a &quot;Higher Education Development Centre&quot;. All I have to do is, well, what I&#039;m told to do. Easy, eh? And they keep moving me up the chain, where I have fewer people telling me what to do and more people doing what I tell them to do. The closer to the top of the pyramid I get, the more comfortable I am with the way the organization works. I&#039;ve exchanged stories with people in similar positions and we all agree — it&#039;s a great system, and we will fight any attempts to weaken it. There will always be a few malcontents and loose canons, who will insist on being critical just to cause trouble. It&#039;s not my problem if they refuse to play the game and succeed as I have, and they are probably envious of my hard-won position. Fortunately, we have policies and procedures to deal with such people. I should know — I drafted a number of them myself.

Best regards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi George and others</p>
<p>I just received this email from an imaginary friend, who will remain nameless.</p>
<p>Dear Colleague</p>
<p>I work in a university where we have a &#8220;Centre for Innovation&#8221;. Thankfully, this absolves me from needing to worry about innovating, which, as you know, can be hard work. We also have a &#8220;Quality Advancement Unit&#8221; and a &#8220;Human Ethics Committee&#8221;, both very handy for similar reasons. I think there is also a &#8220;Higher Education Development Centre&#8221;. All I have to do is, well, what I&#8217;m told to do. Easy, eh? And they keep moving me up the chain, where I have fewer people telling me what to do and more people doing what I tell them to do. The closer to the top of the pyramid I get, the more comfortable I am with the way the organization works. I&#8217;ve exchanged stories with people in similar positions and we all agree — it&#8217;s a great system, and we will fight any attempts to weaken it. There will always be a few malcontents and loose canons, who will insist on being critical just to cause trouble. It&#8217;s not my problem if they refuse to play the game and succeed as I have, and they are probably envious of my hard-won position. Fortunately, we have policies and procedures to deal with such people. I should know — I drafted a number of them myself.</p>
<p>Best regards.</p>
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		<title>By: Irwin DeVries</title>
		<link>http://www.elearnspace.org/blog/2012/07/06/open-letter-to-canadian-universities/comment-page-1/#comment-83753</link>
		<dc:creator>Irwin DeVries</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2012 14:52:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>George, it&#039;s good to see the big picture from a pan-Canadian perspective. It&#039;s badly needed. I hope this discussion can be continued...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George, it&#8217;s good to see the big picture from a pan-Canadian perspective. It&#8217;s badly needed. I hope this discussion can be continued&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Casper Tucker</title>
		<link>http://www.elearnspace.org/blog/2012/07/06/open-letter-to-canadian-universities/comment-page-1/#comment-83752</link>
		<dc:creator>Casper Tucker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2012 14:07:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I work in eLearning and follow what university&#039;s are doing closely from multiple perspectives...this article is awesome AND Australia needs to catchup!!

We are losing millions by the month.

Thanks for writing..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I work in eLearning and follow what university&#8217;s are doing closely from multiple perspectives&#8230;this article is awesome AND Australia needs to catchup!!</p>
<p>We are losing millions by the month.</p>
<p>Thanks for writing..</p>
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		<title>By: Virginia Yonkers</title>
		<link>http://www.elearnspace.org/blog/2012/07/06/open-letter-to-canadian-universities/comment-page-1/#comment-83751</link>
		<dc:creator>Virginia Yonkers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2012 13:26:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;ve started looking at Canadian Universities for my daughter because they are so much cheaper even as an international university than the US.  Canada could really take advantage of this and move into the world market if they can harness some of the world class distance learning models some successful Canadian individual universities have developed.  Much of the good research in distance learning, especially in the early 2000&#039;s came from Canada.  Why has Canada not taken advantage of it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;ve started looking at Canadian Universities for my daughter because they are so much cheaper even as an international university than the US.  Canada could really take advantage of this and move into the world market if they can harness some of the world class distance learning models some successful Canadian individual universities have developed.  Much of the good research in distance learning, especially in the early 2000&#8242;s came from Canada.  Why has Canada not taken advantage of it?</p>
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