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	<title>Comments on: The Importance of Elgg in the Future of Learning</title>
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		<title>By: Eduardo Peirano</title>
		<link>http://www.elearnspace.org/blog/2010/05/06/the-importance-of-elgg-in-the-future-of-learning/comment-page-1/#comment-56845</link>
		<dc:creator>Eduardo Peirano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 May 2010 16:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks D&#039;Arcy, Jason and Harold. I don&#039;t like the idea of &quot;putting all the tools together in one place&quot; I prefer an open decentralized course

Luz Pearson and I (both CCK09) are co-facilitating the  &lt;a href=&quot;http://cck09.blogspot.com/2010/04/learn-by-doing-doing-by-learning-co.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; ICT and Connectivism  MOOC in Spanish&lt;/a&gt; 

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.elearnspace.org/blog/2010/03/29/open-connectivism-spanish-course/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; George has posted&lt;/a&gt; before about our MOOC 

We started using Ning and we have now moved to MOODLE. We only use their Forums. Other tools are outside Ning/MOODLE, like in CCK09

We are aware that &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.connectivism.ca/?p=89&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;It’s not about tools. It’s about change.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks D&#8217;Arcy, Jason and Harold. I don&#8217;t like the idea of &#8220;putting all the tools together in one place&#8221; I prefer an open decentralized course</p>
<p>Luz Pearson and I (both CCK09) are co-facilitating the  <a href="http://cck09.blogspot.com/2010/04/learn-by-doing-doing-by-learning-co.html" rel="nofollow"> ICT and Connectivism  MOOC in Spanish</a> </p>
<p><a href="http://www.elearnspace.org/blog/2010/03/29/open-connectivism-spanish-course/" rel="nofollow"> George has posted</a> before about our MOOC </p>
<p>We started using Ning and we have now moved to MOODLE. We only use their Forums. Other tools are outside Ning/MOODLE, like in CCK09</p>
<p>We are aware that <a href="http://www.connectivism.ca/?p=89" rel="nofollow">It’s not about tools. It’s about change.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Harold Jarche</title>
		<link>http://www.elearnspace.org/blog/2010/05/06/the-importance-of-elgg-in-the-future-of-learning/comment-page-1/#comment-56799</link>
		<dc:creator>Harold Jarche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 May 2010 11:48:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would not describe Elgg as an LMS, as I noted a few years back:
http://www.jarche.com/2006/08/elgg-and-the-lms/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would not describe Elgg as an LMS, as I noted a few years back:<br />
<a href="http://www.jarche.com/2006/08/elgg-and-the-lms/" rel="nofollow">http://www.jarche.com/2006/08/elgg-and-the-lms/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jason Green</title>
		<link>http://www.elearnspace.org/blog/2010/05/06/the-importance-of-elgg-in-the-future-of-learning/comment-page-1/#comment-56733</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 May 2010 05:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me start with the disclaimer that I haven&#039;t used Elgg in ages. That having been said.....

....I think it&#039;s important to consider your audience when picking your toolset. 

 I&#039;m planning to facilitate an open seminar (calling it a course is a bit much) later this year and am leaning toward Drupal.  My core constituency for this project are used to Blackboard.  I could tell them to go forth, create a StatusNet account, and find somewhere to blog, but I worry that this would push them too forcefully out of their comfort zone.  

A solution like Drupal or Elgg, on the other hand, takes them into a more open environment (blogs, posts, and content are world readable) while still putting all the tools together in one place as the proprietary LMS does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me start with the disclaimer that I haven&#8217;t used Elgg in ages. That having been said&#8230;..</p>
<p>&#8230;.I think it&#8217;s important to consider your audience when picking your toolset. </p>
<p> I&#8217;m planning to facilitate an open seminar (calling it a course is a bit much) later this year and am leaning toward Drupal.  My core constituency for this project are used to Blackboard.  I could tell them to go forth, create a StatusNet account, and find somewhere to blog, but I worry that this would push them too forcefully out of their comfort zone.  </p>
<p>A solution like Drupal or Elgg, on the other hand, takes them into a more open environment (blogs, posts, and content are world readable) while still putting all the tools together in one place as the proprietary LMS does.</p>
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		<title>By: D'Arcy Norman</title>
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		<dc:creator>D'Arcy Norman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 May 2010 04:31:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Eduardo, these are just tools. There&#039;s nothing about Drupal or Elgg that precludes openness or distributed connectivism. He&#039;s not dropping back to a closed Blackboard course. He&#039;s using open, and open source, tools to help connect people.

Drupal certainly supports aggregating content from elsewhere, so it would offer a decent community hub. I&#039;m not sure if Elgg does aggregation, but I&#039;d be surprised if it doesn&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Eduardo, these are just tools. There&#8217;s nothing about Drupal or Elgg that precludes openness or distributed connectivism. He&#8217;s not dropping back to a closed Blackboard course. He&#8217;s using open, and open source, tools to help connect people.</p>
<p>Drupal certainly supports aggregating content from elsewhere, so it would offer a decent community hub. I&#8217;m not sure if Elgg does aggregation, but I&#8217;d be surprised if it doesn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Eduardo Peirano</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eduardo Peirano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 May 2010 03:22:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>George, I really don&#039;t understand you. 

After teaching 2 excellent decentralized connectivism courses. When everyone seems to be against LMS/CMS, and write post after post about PLE as substitutes to LMS, you are back to centralized non connectivism courses using a CMS/LMS: Drupal and Elgg. 

These tools are good for groups and not for networks. What will happen after the MOOC ends? The course hasn&#039;t helped participants to develop their network and PLE since all their content is inside a CMS/LMS, useful only during the MOOC</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George, I really don&#8217;t understand you. </p>
<p>After teaching 2 excellent decentralized connectivism courses. When everyone seems to be against LMS/CMS, and write post after post about PLE as substitutes to LMS, you are back to centralized non connectivism courses using a CMS/LMS: Drupal and Elgg. </p>
<p>These tools are good for groups and not for networks. What will happen after the MOOC ends? The course hasn&#8217;t helped participants to develop their network and PLE since all their content is inside a CMS/LMS, useful only during the MOOC</p>
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		<title>By: Sandy Hirtz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandy Hirtz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 May 2010 16:35:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the Fall of 2008 we set up an ELGG community (http://edtechbc.ca) to foster expertise in the use of educational technologies in K-12 education. The original concept for the community was as a place where a core group of distributed learning teacher mentors would help novices learn how to use the new Web 2.0 tools in their online teaching practice. Although this did happen in a limited way, CEET quickly grew in unforeseen directions and became a launch-point for a wide range of professional learning activities for all teachers.

Based on feedback from new users about difficulties in using Elgg, a new CEET sub-community (http://ceetbc.ning.com) for educational technology neophytes was created using the NING platform and we adopted moodle for Professional Learning Potlucks.

To our surprise, all three venues gained popularity and attracted new members.  It seems that some people are more comfortable with NING while others are more comfortable with ELGG and yet others prefer moodle.  All three have grown and developed in directions according to the needs and interests of the members.

We now have a web page launch pad to our three communities @ http://ceet.ca We plan to add Second Life and Facebook in the near future.

*Note: NING requires no tech support.  ELGG requires a lot.  We have an amazing technician who has helped us to work out all the ELGG bugs and quirks and customize it to meet our needs.  The biggest advantage to ELGG is the group feature.  Groups are mini communities with all the tools that the parent has. 

As a community developer, which of the three do I prefer?  I love them all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the Fall of 2008 we set up an ELGG community (<a href="http://edtechbc.ca" rel="nofollow">http://edtechbc.ca</a>) to foster expertise in the use of educational technologies in K-12 education. The original concept for the community was as a place where a core group of distributed learning teacher mentors would help novices learn how to use the new Web 2.0 tools in their online teaching practice. Although this did happen in a limited way, CEET quickly grew in unforeseen directions and became a launch-point for a wide range of professional learning activities for all teachers.</p>
<p>Based on feedback from new users about difficulties in using Elgg, a new CEET sub-community (<a href="http://ceetbc.ning.com" rel="nofollow">http://ceetbc.ning.com</a>) for educational technology neophytes was created using the NING platform and we adopted moodle for Professional Learning Potlucks.</p>
<p>To our surprise, all three venues gained popularity and attracted new members.  It seems that some people are more comfortable with NING while others are more comfortable with ELGG and yet others prefer moodle.  All three have grown and developed in directions according to the needs and interests of the members.</p>
<p>We now have a web page launch pad to our three communities @ <a href="http://ceet.ca" rel="nofollow">http://ceet.ca</a> We plan to add Second Life and Facebook in the near future.</p>
<p>*Note: NING requires no tech support.  ELGG requires a lot.  We have an amazing technician who has helped us to work out all the ELGG bugs and quirks and customize it to meet our needs.  The biggest advantage to ELGG is the group feature.  Groups are mini communities with all the tools that the parent has. </p>
<p>As a community developer, which of the three do I prefer?  I love them all.</p>
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		<title>By: Karsten D. Wolf</title>
		<link>http://www.elearnspace.org/blog/2010/05/06/the-importance-of-elgg-in-the-future-of-learning/comment-page-1/#comment-54432</link>
		<dc:creator>Karsten D. Wolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 May 2010 14:27:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are also using WP MU with BuddyPress – very nice and a strong OS community. Is there any comparison between the two? I will have a look at Elgg again… last time 2 years ago it was too nerdy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are also using WP MU with BuddyPress – very nice and a strong OS community. Is there any comparison between the two? I will have a look at Elgg again… last time 2 years ago it was too nerdy.</p>
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		<title>By: Harold Jarche</title>
		<link>http://www.elearnspace.org/blog/2010/05/06/the-importance-of-elgg-in-the-future-of-learning/comment-page-1/#comment-54306</link>
		<dc:creator>Harold Jarche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 May 2010 01:13:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And how much time and money have educators committed to Elgg? It&#039;s our community, so please help out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And how much time and money have educators committed to Elgg? It&#8217;s our community, so please help out.</p>
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		<title>By: kennfj</title>
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		<dc:creator>kennfj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 May 2010 00:31:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Elgg is still dominated by developers and techie types (which is probably a good thing as it needs further work).

We&#039;ve trialled it for several months as an institutional social networking platform for our University and found that it lacks some basic features that teachers and students have come to expect from using other social network platforms (eg. Facebook, NING). As a result the uptake has been poor.

We&#039;ve now starting to think that a better path to introduce social networking tools into formal educational environments might be to adopt NING, which has more features, and keep an eye on future developments with Elgg.

What I&#039;d like to see is more educators using Elgg and discussing it&#039;s pedagogical uses so the idea of using it for MOOC is a good one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elgg is still dominated by developers and techie types (which is probably a good thing as it needs further work).</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve trialled it for several months as an institutional social networking platform for our University and found that it lacks some basic features that teachers and students have come to expect from using other social network platforms (eg. Facebook, NING). As a result the uptake has been poor.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve now starting to think that a better path to introduce social networking tools into formal educational environments might be to adopt NING, which has more features, and keep an eye on future developments with Elgg.</p>
<p>What I&#8217;d like to see is more educators using Elgg and discussing it&#8217;s pedagogical uses so the idea of using it for MOOC is a good one.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Berthelemy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Berthelemy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 May 2010 21:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I forgot to suggest that you take a look at B2evolution. It&#039;s an open-source blogging system, but (unlike WP) has multi-user/multi-blog built in from the ground up.

I&#039;ve used it for years now. It&#039;s well supported, and easy to tweak.

It lacks the vast number of plugins that WP has got, and the smart user interface. But it&#039;s got a lot of features that make it easy to manage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I forgot to suggest that you take a look at B2evolution. It&#8217;s an open-source blogging system, but (unlike WP) has multi-user/multi-blog built in from the ground up.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve used it for years now. It&#8217;s well supported, and easy to tweak.</p>
<p>It lacks the vast number of plugins that WP has got, and the smart user interface. But it&#8217;s got a lot of features that make it easy to manage.</p>
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