Comments on: If PLEs are incompatible with the system then how do we change the system? http://www.elearnspace.org/blog/2008/12/12/if-ples-are-incompatible-with-the-system-then-how-do-we-change-the-system/ learning, networks, knowledge, technology, community Sat, 4 Feb 2012 22:56:23 -0500 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.4 By: PLE Reflection (after drafting a presentation for our Year 11 conference) « Darcy Moore’s Blog http://www.elearnspace.org/blog/2008/12/12/if-ples-are-incompatible-with-the-system-then-how-do-we-change-the-system/comment-page-1/#comment-58522 PLE Reflection (after drafting a presentation for our Year 11 conference) « Darcy Moore’s Blog Sat, 19 Jun 2010 14:33:50 +0000 http://www.elearnspace.org/blog/?p=3668#comment-58522 [...] My brief, to present at a Year 11 conference about online tools, has accentuated, in my mind, how far away we are from providing the Personal Learning Environment (PLE) at school students need in a [...] [...] My brief, to present at a Year 11 conference about online tools, has accentuated, in my mind, how far away we are from providing the Personal Learning Environment (PLE) at school students need in a [...]

]]> By: Jon K. http://www.elearnspace.org/blog/2008/12/12/if-ples-are-incompatible-with-the-system-then-how-do-we-change-the-system/comment-page-1/#comment-3167 Jon K. Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:28:34 +0000 http://www.elearnspace.org/blog/?p=3668#comment-3167 McMaster University has a PBL program for their Medical Students as well. They tie their graduation to whether or not the student passes their certification. McMaster University has a PBL program for their Medical Students as well. They tie their graduation to whether or not the student passes their certification.

]]> By: Lanny Arvan http://www.elearnspace.org/blog/2008/12/12/if-ples-are-incompatible-with-the-system-then-how-do-we-change-the-system/comment-page-1/#comment-3027 Lanny Arvan Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:08:50 +0000 http://www.elearnspace.org/blog/?p=3668#comment-3027 Might it be that it is the learners who change, not the school? There is a very well known paper in economics - Job Market Signaling, by Michael Spence,a copy can be found here http://astro.temple.edu/~tub06197/Wk3Spence1973JobMarketSignalling.pdf that suggests school can make sense even if there is none of the nurture function you want it to play, as long as it appropriately sort the students from the non-students (and also sorts students of different performance levels). If the sorting function continues to work, the right students still have the right incentives, and the status quo is preserved. This is not an elevating argument. It is only to say that forces for school to change are weaker than you'd like them to be. Might it be that it is the learners who change, not the school? There is a very well known paper in economics – Job Market Signaling, by Michael Spence,a copy can be found here
http://astro.temple.edu/~tub06197/Wk3Spence1973JobMarketSignalling.pdf
that suggests school can make sense even if there is none of the nurture function you want it to play, as long as it appropriately sort the students from the non-students (and also sorts students of different performance levels). If the sorting function continues to work, the right students still have the right incentives, and the status quo is preserved.

This is not an elevating argument. It is only to say that forces for school to change are weaker than you’d like them to be.

]]> By: Harold Jarche http://www.elearnspace.org/blog/2008/12/12/if-ples-are-incompatible-with-the-system-then-how-do-we-change-the-system/comment-page-1/#comment-3021 Harold Jarche Fri, 12 Dec 2008 14:10:47 +0000 http://www.elearnspace.org/blog/?p=3668#comment-3021 University of Sherbrooke's medical school is 100% PBL, with no lectures (ever). Université de Moncton has partnered with them and now offers same programme in NB. Sherbrooke has been using the approach successfully for 20 years University of Sherbrooke’s medical school is 100% PBL, with no lectures (ever). Université de Moncton has partnered with them and now offers same programme in NB. Sherbrooke has been using the approach successfully for 20 years

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