Comments on: I’m sure I’m doing it wrong http://www.elearnspace.org/blog/2008/10/23/i%e2%80%99m-sure-i%e2%80%99m-doing-it-wrong/ learning, networks, knowledge, technology, community Sat, 4 Feb 2012 22:56:23 -0500 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.4 By: L’apprentissage accidentel n’est certes pas la norme http://www.elearnspace.org/blog/2008/10/23/i%e2%80%99m-sure-i%e2%80%99m-doing-it-wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-1103 L’apprentissage accidentel n’est certes pas la norme Wed, 29 Oct 2008 17:07:20 +0000 http://dnorman.tlc.ucalgary.ca/elearnspace/?p=3552#comment-1103 [...] accidentel n’est certes pas la norme Récemment, George Siemens questionnait sur elearnspace le fait que, pour la plupart des éducateurs, l'apprentissage se base sur des objectifs ou des [...] [...] accidentel n’est certes pas la norme Récemment, George Siemens questionnait sur elearnspace le fait que, pour la plupart des éducateurs, l’apprentissage se base sur des objectifs ou des [...]

]]> By: Guy Boulet http://www.elearnspace.org/blog/2008/10/23/i%e2%80%99m-sure-i%e2%80%99m-doing-it-wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-1098 Guy Boulet Wed, 29 Oct 2008 13:03:47 +0000 http://dnorman.tlc.ucalgary.ca/elearnspace/?p=3552#comment-1098 While an individual can learn without having as objective to do it (accidental learning), most learning is based on objectives. When I go on Google to search about a subject matter, my objective is to find out something specific about this subject matter. I might learn stuff I was not expecting, but it all started with an objective. If I hadn't have that objective in the first place, I wouldn't have done a search and woudn't have done accidental learning. Of course, if I make a big mistake at work, I will probably draw some valuable lessons from it without ever having plan to learn anything. But, although this is probably one of the best way to learn (retention is quite good in such cases) this is not the way most learning happens. While an individual can learn without having as objective to do it (accidental learning), most learning is based on objectives. When I go on Google to search about a subject matter, my objective is to find out something specific about this subject matter. I might learn stuff I was not expecting, but it all started with an objective. If I hadn’t have that objective in the first place, I wouldn’t have done a search and woudn’t have done accidental learning.

Of course, if I make a big mistake at work, I will probably draw some valuable lessons from it without ever having plan to learn anything. But, although this is probably one of the best way to learn (retention is quite good in such cases) this is not the way most learning happens.

]]> By: Clark Quinn http://www.elearnspace.org/blog/2008/10/23/i%e2%80%99m-sure-i%e2%80%99m-doing-it-wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-1064 Clark Quinn Fri, 24 Oct 2008 16:57:42 +0000 http://dnorman.tlc.ucalgary.ca/elearnspace/?p=3552#comment-1064 George, somehow you've got to know what you want people to be able to do at the end, before you start. I agree we over do it, or mis-do it. I like van Merrienboer's taxonomy: two objectives, the knowledge you need, and the complex decisions you make with that knowledge. I focus on the latter, naturally, because that makes the former meaningful. I suggest you hit up Will Thalheimer, who talks eloquently about objectives: what works, what doesn't. I'll bet he's got the research you want 'to hand'. George, somehow you’ve got to know what you want people to be able to do at the end, before you start. I agree we over do it, or mis-do it. I like van Merrienboer’s taxonomy: two objectives, the knowledge you need, and the complex decisions you make with that knowledge. I focus on the latter, naturally, because that makes the former meaningful. I suggest you hit up Will Thalheimer, who talks eloquently about objectives: what works, what doesn’t. I’ll bet he’s got the research you want ‘to hand’.

]]> By: John Hollenbeck http://www.elearnspace.org/blog/2008/10/23/i%e2%80%99m-sure-i%e2%80%99m-doing-it-wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-1063 John Hollenbeck Fri, 24 Oct 2008 03:16:19 +0000 http://dnorman.tlc.ucalgary.ca/elearnspace/?p=3552#comment-1063 I'm more convinced that planning learning starts with the final exam. Or, as Dick and Carey say, get an idea of what the learner will be able to do and how you are going to tell they can do it. Starting with objectives is fine if you know exactly what the outcome will be. This is only possible with credentialing and other closed systems. Unfortunately, most schools have that model. I’m more convinced that planning learning starts with the final exam. Or, as Dick and Carey say, get an idea of what the learner will be able to do and how you are going to tell they can do it.

Starting with objectives is fine if you know exactly what the outcome will be. This is only possible with credentialing and other closed systems. Unfortunately, most schools have that model.

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